America’s Customer Support is Dominated By Morons
I currently feel as if most companies have their customer support run by morons. Either they don’t know how to fix your problems, they don’t know how to properly treat you as a customer, or both.
Last night, my friend Poncho was upset about how he bought a $100 yo-yo from the YoYoFactory, and a crucial part fell off. He went to this yo-yo company’s customer service and suggested that they have a warning label of some sort, but the company representatives immediately ridiculed him for his “stupid” comment.
Below is what my friend Poncho asked to the YoYoFactory:
I’ve been throwing my 888 for a few days now, and up until this point it’s been hands-down the best yoyo I’ve ever used. Just now I picked it up and threw it again, and, miraculously, the silicone rings were gone. I haven’t unscrewed it once today until now, but there’s no doubt that they have somehow managed to dislodge themselves from their seats, tear, and completely detach from the yoyo. The 888 is an astounding yoyo, no doubt- perfectly silent, tight binds, long sleepers and astounding suicide loops. Until worlds, I haven’t posted much in a while, so I don’t know if this issue is common. I payed $100 for this yoyo, though, and it was worth the price until this happened. I can pay $15 for a Freehand and the friction stickers won’t fall off the yoyo.
I don’t know what my point is, really, I’m just saying that I wasn’t warned to buy replacement rings for when they inevitably fall off my yoyo, and as such do not have any way at the moment to return this thing to playing how I’d wanted. Come on.
To me, it sounds like a pretty friendly, non hostile/offensive request. There were tens of responses, but the one that stuck out was the response YuuKi Spencer gave: (YuuKi is a two-time world yoyo champion, including this year, and the most prominent member of yoyofactory’s contest team)
Quit your bickering.
Im sorry, should we have printed how to put a yoyo string on the yoyo and how to clean your bearing somewhere with the packaging?
Poncho let me lead you through how to tie a slip knot. Or do you want an instruction on how to place friction stickers on other yoyos as well? How about opening the yoyo? Do you know how to do that?
Or maybe how to operate a laundry machine to wash your ol dirty bstard shirt?
If it were up to me id have you send that yoyo back and i would refund you youre money, and at the same time cut off your purchasing ability from ever buying any silicon yoyo ever again.
Please poncho, do not buy, trade, or in anyway get a hold of my signiture 888 when it comes out. I dont want it in your hands.
This is probably the nastiest response from customer service I’ve ever seen. It’s clear that Yuuki is an amazing yoyoer, but he’s in the business of yoyo design and production. He’s failed miserably in managing profitable business relationships, and I really hope this fu*ks him over big time. This goes with all companies like AOL who make it incredibly difficult to leave their service.
If YuuKi had treated Poncho’s suggestion with respect, he could be seeing so much more business. Poncho evangelizes products like no other. He managed to convince 30 kids at Simon’s Rock College to go to a Brazilian shit porn party. (don’t ask) He managed to convince me to buy a no name tooth paste that was amazing. He’s super passionate about everything he does and everything he buys, but the YoYoFactory lost his trust. If you don’t know already, Poncho Peligroso is a sophomore film major at Simon’s Rock who has been yoyoing since 2001, formerly sponsored by Buzz-On yoyos, and has competed in state, regional, national and world competitions.
Steve Brown, another company representative at YoYoFactory, responded with the following:
“I really truly believe that if you are paying $60 or more for a yo-yo, no one should have to explain a damn thing to you. If you can’t understand it or figure it out on your own then you have no business owning it.”
Once again, terrible customer service. What the hell was this moron thinking? Poncho DOES know how to fix the yoyo and wasn’t asking for instructions, but was pointing out that nowhere was it indicated that he would even have to do that. Looking into Steve Brown’s history further shows that he worked with Duncan as a designer and demonstrator, got fired, and is now part of the yoyofactory contest team. It doesn’t matter how amazing he is at designing yoyos, but if only he was able to learn how to treat customers with respect…
May I interest you in a video of Poncho and his amazing Yo-Yo skills?
Jessica Mah is a 17 year old entrepreneur, blogger, and sophomore in college. She’s currently the founder of a startup, managing editor at Startupism.com, SimonsRockers.com, and Jessicamah.com.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
yeah, I hate stupid CS like that, especially if at big company, how can they hire people like that… blah… *sometimes I wrote something like that at my blog too…
August 14th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
As I post this, there are more pictures of me on the front page than of Jessica.
Success.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Wait, no. I was wrong. But I am much more visible.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
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August 21st, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Hi Jessica,
You make yoyofactory out to be this big faceless greedy corporation. Its 2 guys who love yo-yos. Thats it. No-one on the payroll. If Poncho had contacted them directly, he would have had one of the 2 people at the company reply to him immediately and offer a solution. Instead, he went to a public forum, where he got flamed. Jessica, you have a blog so I guess you are familiar with forums and the behaviour on them.
Which brings me to now, where YOU blogged this to deliberately smear a small company because your friend didnt contact them for advice on how to fix their product?
the moron is who?
August 21st, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Yuuki left an informal comment on a public message board. It wasn’t nice, called for, or tactful. But it was not in any way under the auspice of YoYoFactory Customer Service.
I’m not really on any side of this issue. I have lots of silicone-response yo-yos, but because I did the silicone myself, I wasn’t so shattered the first time a ring was shredded, and I’m not surprised when it happens anymore. But I understand how it would feel on a $100 yo-yo with factory silicone.
Customer Service already has a bad enough name. Please don’t confuse one team member’s rant with company-endorsed CS.
Other than that, I’ve got nothing against bringing up the subject in general. Poncho’s a great player and it’s great that you’re informing others of his abilities and his concerns.
August 21st, 2007 at 8:09 pm
alot of the things you say are giving misinterpretation of the people and companys. first yuuki spencer is not technically employed by yoyofactory just sposored. Also the general group of non-yoyo people dont know how things like this come about. This whole deal didnt happen over yoyofactorys website or a CS link it happened over a public yoyo forum where honestly anybody could of said that. So really its hard to call it bad CS..
PS: steve brown didn’t get fired from duncan he quit!
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:49 am
First off, I’m in no way affiliated with YoYoFactory, their team, Steve Brown and/or Yuuki Spencer. However I would like to point out a couple of inaccuracies in the blog posting.
1. YoYoing.com where Poncho posted his complaint is not a YoYoFactory customer service board. Rather it is a general yo-yoing community webboard. Contact details for YYF’s customer service are displayed on their own webpage.
2. Yuuki is part of the YYF Contest Team, but he is not a customer service rep.
3. Steve Brown is not part of the YYF Contest Team.
4. Steve didn’t get fired from Duncan, he quit to pursue a career in performance arts. (For the astute amongst us, he actually announced his intentions to quit around 4 months before he did so.)
5. Steve doesn’t do any design for YYF and doesn’t represent them in any way.
6. Benjamin McPhee, the official customer service rep for YYF, did respond in the thread, this is what he had to say:
“I feel your pain. Appreciate you are angry, don’t really appreciate your demanding things though.
If you want us to replace the silicone with something that will never wear out the offer is here. It wont play as nice, but there is the offer.
The eight8eight is the first off the shelf flowable silicone yo-yo for most people. It is also the first time they will experiance the need to re-apply the silicone.
We have been selling eight8eights for over 3 months now and the lack of similar topics to this show people have been doing ok….. the only thing that has changed is our packaging.
Gone is the ‘For instructions visit http://www.projectredalert.com‘ where there is a link to instructions outlining the need for replacement, and how to do it.
I guess I thought the level of awareness was getting higher, I guess I was mistaken, the label will come back, and I will instruct retailers to warn customers.
Now for the future, want a pad that fits in the groove? working on it.
BUT the eight8eight is what we wanted and our team wanted. If it’s not what you want send it back to where you bought it, but that is like sending a ferrari because it got a flat tire.”
Ben tried to take care of Poncho and address his concerns in the following ways:
a. He offered to replace the silicone. (He was not the only person to offer this.)
b. Ben promised to put back the link to the 888 care instructions (www.projectredalert.com) that has been removed from later releases of the 888 packaging. (A mistake no-doubt.)
c. Ben will alert retailers to make sure that the message in (b) is communicated more clearly while the packaging is updated.
d. Replacement stickers for the not-so-technically inclined is in production and will be available shortly.
I do agree that Poncho has been, erm, mistreated in the thread and for the most part it went on for way too long and got out of hand. However, none of the attacks came from YYF themselves and in addition Ben did address the original concern Poncho had: lack of visible documentation. (To quote Poncho: “I’m just saying that I wasn’t warned to buy replacement rings for when they inevitably fall off my yoyo”)
Projectredalert.com offers the following advice: (and has been since the 888 first appeared on the scene)
“If you have a flowable silicone eight8eight understand this is installed and cleaned by hand and there may be some difference between individual yo-yos because of this. Some silicone residue may be present on the yo-yo please clean with a rub of your finger. Silicone MAY fall out of the yo-yo during play. If you are not willing to re-install it yourself this yo-yo is not for you.”
As a last point: I don’t quite know what to make of your reference to the “yoyoer who recently committed suicide”. Ryan was well loved in the community and it was a shock to all of us when he committed suicide around 2 years ago. He was a kid with a bright future and will always be fondly remembered.
Jaco
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:45 am
To be clear Poncho did not post his question on a YoyoFactory support forum and his responses were not from anyone who worked for the company. While Yuuki is sponsored by YoyoFactory he is not an employee proper and Steve Brown is basically just a fanboy.
If this had been an email directed at Ben or Han (who own YoyoFactory) and not a public webforum I would hope that he would have had better luck (but I can’t say that for certain, Ben has a history of blindly and rudely defending his product too
)
However, I don’t understand why you included the reference to Houdini…. it had nothing to do with the story and is very morbid. Houdini was a nice young man whom everyone in the yo-yo community misses greatly.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:18 am
Hey, Jessica,
I understand where you’re coming from with this entry. At the same time, you have to understand a few points in order to put this in perspective:
1. Poncho did NOT go to the company’s customer service department. Your quote was his post on yoyoing.com – a community bulletin board.
2. Yuuki and Steve do NOT represent Yo-Yo Factory or work in YYF’s customer service department. They are individual competitors who are sponsored by YYF.
3. The quotes from Yuuki and Steve are THEIR posts to yoyoing.com in respnse to Poncho’s. They were responding to a post on a community discussion forum with their personal thoughts.
4. Steve was NOT fired from his job at Duncan.
I think that if Poncho felt he had a legitimate complaint, he should have contacted YYF instead of posting on a forum. I don’t know if YYF’s customer service department is good or bad, but at least it would have been tested had it been contacted. It’s not fair to judge it based on individuals’ (who are not employees!) responses to a post.
Were the comments you quoted mean-spirited? Probably. Does this happen all the time on this type of discussion forum? Yes. Do friends kid each other? Yes. Does all this mean that YYF has poor customer service? No.
Thanks for reading.
Andy Smith
Indianapolis, IN, USA
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:15 am
well Jessica,
you look cute, but you’re not well-informed
http://www.yoyoing.com/news/viewpost.php?post=280336
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:48 am
Ummmm….There were numerous warnings about the silicone possibly falling out of the 888.
Maybe Poncho should have done a little more reading???
It stated very clearly that if you are not willing to replace the flowable silicone, you shouldn’t buy the yo-yo.
Ben’s reply was completely justified, why would you want idiots as customers? I know I don’t.
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August 2nd, 2008 at 7:51 am
Looks like everyone is missing the real point to Poncho’s message. He is a consumer of a specified product. Products are sold to novice and experts alike. The customer service given a consumer is paramount in the sales oriented world. When dissatisfied with a product or its packaging a consumer becomes disillusioned. That’s were “customer service” becomes vital for the proliferation of the company and its products. Appeassing the consumer is most important, so the consumer becomes a proponet and supporter of the said product and not a dissatified chasstiser of the product! This situation calls for YYF to send Poncho some new silicone rings and gain a new supporter period.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Hi Rockstar,
Poncho is an expert who personally knew the people who owned the company who he had a problem with. Instead of finding a solution, he made it public. His reasons for that are his.
By picking your enemys well you may gain more friends. By making an example of poncho (over a year ago) others were sent a clear message about the brand and the ideals of the brand. Your prescribed handling of the situation would paint yoyofactory as another lifeless generic corporation. As you can see from the responses posted here and in the following topic created about this YoYoFactory either possessed or gained a strong following because over this issue.
There is one way to skin a cat and no-one will watch if you do it the boring way.
December 14th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Go to the dam ACTUAL company instead of blogging this kind of things i mean really..